Discussion between William E. Hartman (Director of the Center for Marital and Sexual
Studies at Long Beach), Marilyn A. Fithan (Associate Director of the Center for Marital
and Sexual Studies at Long Beach), and Jude, a counselor for transsexuals seeking
resources and surgery.
Laura Horak (October 31, 2019, based on viewing Transsexuality Jude at Kinsey Institute
Library & Archive, Bloomington, Indiana, USA)